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    Oh, and Lan? I think you've posted that you're agnostic.

    How about if I meet your kids at a library for a multicultural session and ONLY provide them with KJV Bibles? We'll talk about the Christmas stories and then I'll teach them the "Hail Mary".

    That would be just fine, eh?

    <font color="#a52a2a" size="1">[ December 04, 2004 06:14 AM: Message edited by: gae ]</font>

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    Originally posted by LanDroid:
    Does anyone else find it strange that Trav & GAE, two followers of Ayn Rand have been peppering this board with admonitions to strengthen the power of Christianity? The woman was psychotically opposed to religion or supernatural superstitions of any sort. 'Er well except perhaps worshipping the dollar...
    <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">As GAE said this isn?t about us pushing a fundamental Christian philosophy; it?s about freedom, personal liberties and what the Founding Fathers really meant by ?Freedom of Religion?. Please note that it is not ?Freedom from Religion?. What this means is there will be no state supported religion, which includes the religion of government (socialism) and the religion of no god (atheism).

    Why do you support your right to glorify your belief in nothing, a Muslim?s right to believe in Allah and a Buddhist?s right to believe in Buda, but not a Christian?s right to believe in Christ? Why do you think it?s OK for every belief but Christianity to be taught to children in public schools?

    Could it be that the Judeo/Christian religions? mores, which by the way this country was founded on, go against your socialist leanings? Could it be that these mores teach personal responsibility and not the liberal mantra ?If it feels good, do it?? Could it be that these mores teach that all life is precious, even the ones still in the womb? Could it be that these mores offend your beliefs?

    I am not a ?Christian? in the traditional sense and I believe that all forms of organized religion, which includes atheism (read the history of Josef Stalin) have caused more death and pain in the world than any other manmade institution. Yes, I say manmade because all forms of organized religion are about earthly power and control with atheism, Islam and Catholicism right at the top of the list.

    The United States of America is a Democracy and as such, is ruled by majority not minority. And as the last elections proved, the majority of people in this country are Christian, whether you like that or not.

    Today?s political correctness, in its persecution of Christians is as atrocious as the Puritans persecution of ?witches? or the Spanish Inquisition?s persecution of Jews. While PC is not as bloody, its purveyors are just as rabid.

    Just to set the record straight, if the Christian fundies tried to force me to walk in the river and praise Jesus, I?d be posting articles pointing out their narrow mindedness.

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    <font color="#a52a2a" size="1">[ December 04, 2004 07:11 AM: Message edited by: travelinman ]</font>

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    Looks like we agree on some things, but you seem conflicted about it.

    "Christmas has become a secular holiday in this country..."

    OK, but the organizers of the parade agree with you. "Organizers say the parade is about the holidays, not Christmas, but leaders of the Faith Bible Chapel say that's ridiculous." So what's wrong with insisting on a secular parade? The churches in the area could arrange a religious one, so where's the loss of freedom?

    "Why do you support your right to glorify your belief in nothing, a Muslim?s right to believe in Allah and a Buddhist?s right to believe in Buda, but not a Christian?s right to believe in Christ?"

    I don't support that. In fact I enjoyed a literature class in a public high school that compared sacred texts from the three main religions. I genuinely believe Christian activists complain about Islam being discussed in school because they want Christianity discussed without dissention or competition from other religions.

    "Could it be that the Judeo/Christian religions? mores, which by the way this country was founded on, go against your socialist leanings? Could it be that these mores teach personal responsibility and not the liberal mantra ?If it feels good, do it??"

    I'm not a Socialist, but Christian mor?s are Socialist. If you bother to read Christ's admonitions, you are supposed to give up all of your worldly posessions and wander around begging for food and preaching about God. If someone slaps you or steals something, you're supposed to "turn the other cheek". This doesn't sound like jingoistic conservatism to me. Also, as I've stated before, this country was not founded on Christian mor?s, we set up a secular government - compare the 1st commandment with the 1st amendment for proof.

    "Today?s political correctness, in its persecution of Christians is as atrocious as the Puritans persecution of ?witches? or the Spanish Inquisition?s persecution of Jews."

    Oh c'mon, let's not get hysterical. Christians perceive any diminution of power as persecution and whine to the High Heavens about it. They are not being persecuted, they have lost power to control others. Folks still have complete freedom to follow Christianity, but of course that is not good enough because as you say, "all forms of organized religion are about earthly power and control".

    <font color="#a52a2a" size="1">[ December 04, 2004 09:59 AM: Message edited by: LanDroid ]</font>

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    I don't support that. In fact I enjoyed a literature class in a public high school that compared sacred texts from the three main religions. I genuinely believe Christian activists complain about Islam being discussed in school because they want Christianity discussed without dissention or competition from other religions.
    <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Herein lies the real problem. Conservative fundamentalist Christians don't want to face the music in that we now more than ever have a multiculturalist society.

    They want prayer in school, but they want Christian prayer. Could you imagine the outrage from these same people if their children were forced to read a prayer fromt he Koran in public school?

    These people want freedom to practice their religion...but only their religion. And their basis for doing so is the belief that we were founded as a Christian nation, which is not true.

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    OK, but the organizers of the parade agree with you. "Organizers say the parade is about the holidays, not Christmas, but leaders of the Faith Bible Chapel say that's ridiculous." So what's wrong with insisting on a secular parade? The churches in the area could arrange a religious one, so where's the loss of freedom?
    <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Exactly.

    <font color="#a52a2a" size="1">[ December 04, 2004 11:08 AM: Message edited by: reason ]</font>

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